Thank you for moving my post for me, fair point, don't need to see them during the day, lol I was just a bit concerned that the the mot boy might not appreciate the lack of light? Lol They should be fine. Worst case scenario is that you whip them out & put standards in for the pass. If you do a search there was some talk of new bulbs for these that are brighter if I recall. Cool, thanks for your advice, i'll have a search and see what I can find, someone else suggested fitting hid with the ballasts but I've been told that you can run into problems with the ballast fitting?