Fitting a start button

[mclovin9091]

Been thinking about doing this when i return to the uk. My question is not about how to do it but rather that having it on show hide the button as an additonal security feature. As if some Twoc'er tried to hot wire it, the required wire would not be there, yes he may be able to trace the other wires back but it would slow them down and possibly put some off. Even it they had managed to get your keys the barrel 'start' position having been made usless due to the start button would confuse some people.

 

Has anyone done this? what do you think about the idea in general?

 

Not sure if this should go in the mechanical or cosmetic section.

[mrfixit]

Been thinking about doing this when i return to the uk. My question is not about how to do it but rather that having it on show hide the button as an additonal security feature. As if some Twoc'er tried to hot wire it, the required wire would not be there, yes he may be able to trace the other wires back but it would slow them down and possibly put some off. Even it they had managed to get your keys the barrel 'start' position having been made usless due to the start button would confuse some people.

 

Has anyone done this? what do you think about the idea in general?

 

Not sure if this should go in the mechanical or cosmetic section.

i have a push to start fitted to the center consol plus i have a immobilizer/alarm fitted the push to start is on show. i think you should use a immobilizer for safety than it will not mater if thay find the starting line

[p4u1]

Fit a toad sterling touch cat 2 immoby into the push start button for extra security easy diy

[mrfixit]

Fit a toad sterling touch cat 2 immoby into the push start button for extra security easy diy

or better still to the fuel pump

[p4u1]

Fit a toad sterling touch cat 2 immoby into the push start button for extra security easy diy

or better still to the fuel pump

 

 

Yes it covers that fuel pump and starter or coil

[Craig855S]

What makes you think the standard ford immobilser stops working just because you've moved the starter wire to the button, the interrogator is still behind the ignition switch and the key still has to be there with the right transponder for it to allow the car to start. I dont think car thieves will be observant enough to notice a starter button before breaking in anyway, if they want your car theyre gonna break in regardless of any button

[mrmetallica]

i see some where a gear knob with lift flap revelling a starter button .looked good

 

 

 

http://shop.ebay.co.uk/i.html?_kw=gear&amp...&_kw=button

Edited September 18, 2010 by mrmetallica

[shawdreamer]

wow Im loving all these expensive overcomplicated approaches!

 

simple approach.....

 

1. seperate the starter wire from the ignition barrel

 

2. connect the starter wire to a "push to close" button terminal(loads all over eGay)

 

3. connect a 12v feed to the other terminal on the button

 

Your car will now no longer start on the final turn point of the ignition key but instead start only from a press of the "push to close" button

 

that way however still requires the use of the key to turn the barrel to ignition on despite needing the button to start the car.

 

If you wish to make the key use redundant there is a more involved method that is additon to above....

 

4. Dissconnect the remaining 12v output feed from the ignition barrel

 

5. connect the 12v to a "push locking" button terminal (prefferably alongside the start button)

 

6. Afix the transponder key as close to the barrel as possible tho making sure it will still be concealed once the column cover is back on.

 

7. Fit a cheap remote alarm system with immobilzer features (I recently bought a remote full closure alarm with starter & fual pump imobilizer features off eGay for £30)

 

 

Your car will now only start once the alarm system is de-activated, the push to lock button must then be pushed then the start button to start the car.

 

 

 

Ive just scrolled through all that and as far as I can tell its what I did with my second Scort.... but tbh Im not 100% sure if I missed out something, hopefully someone can correct it if I did.

[mclovin9091]

craig855s: Should someone break in and they have the keys, when they try to start the car nothing will happen. they would then need to press the start button, but if it wasn't on diaplay then they would be confused as to why the car didn't start. If there was a button with 'start' above it, then it wouldn't take them long to figure it out. Hence if its hidden i would consider it to be an additional secutiry feature.

 

Mrmettalica: someone has one for sale on here £25 posted IIRC.

 

shawdreamer: Yeah steps 1to 3 is pretty much what i was going to do.

[PeeWee]

Something that has always puzzled me in all my years on Evo.

I see many engine mondeo swaps with problems regarding the pats system. Basically having problems finding non pats ecu so that you can get around the transponder problem. If its so hard to start when you have a pats system on your own car then surely without having your key then the pats enabled escorts cannot be hotwired?

Why would any other immobilizers be needed?

Isnt a pats escort unstartable without the exact key?

[mrfixit]

Something that has always puzzled me in all my years on Evo.

I see many engine mondeo swaps with problems regarding the pats system. Basically having problems finding non pats ecu so that you can get around the transponder problem. If its so hard to start when you have a pats system on your own car then surely without having your key then the pats enabled escorts cannot be hotwired?

Why would any other immobilizers be needed?

Isnt a pats escort unstartable without the exact key?

i totally agree with your statement . but i know how to get around a pats system its not easy but it can be done

[PeeWee]

Something that has always puzzled me in all my years on Evo.

I see many engine mondeo swaps with problems regarding the pats system. Basically having problems finding non pats ecu so that you can get around the transponder problem. If its so hard to start when you have a pats system on your own car then surely without having your key then the pats enabled escorts cannot be hotwired?

Why would any other immobilizers be needed?

Isnt a pats escort unstartable without the exact key?

i totally agree with your statement . but i know how to get around a pats system its not easy but it can be done

 

Yes I understand it can be got around but are you saying you can do this on aproaching a random car?

Im talking more about security rather than modification.

In theory could you walk up to my car & after breaking in bypass my pats & start the engine?

[mrfixit]

Something that has always puzzled me in all my years on Evo.

I see many engine mondeo swaps with problems regarding the pats system. Basically having problems finding non pats ecu so that you can get around the transponder problem. If its so hard to start when you have a pats system on your own car then surely without having your key then the pats enabled escorts cannot be hotwired?

Why would any other immobilizers be needed?

Isnt a pats escort unstartable without the exact key?

i totally agree with your statement . but i know how to get around a pats system its not easy but it can be done

 

Yes I understand it can be got around but are you saying you can do this on aproaching a random car?

Im talking more about security rather than modification.

In theory could you walk up to my car & after breaking in bypass my pats & start the engine?

on a escort yes .but its all down to how much time if i was to borrow your car than i would hook it up to a truck and deal with it later

[PeeWee]

Something that has always puzzled me in all my years on Evo.

I see many engine mondeo swaps with problems regarding the pats system. Basically having problems finding non pats ecu so that you can get around the transponder problem. If its so hard to start when you have a pats system on your own car then surely without having your key then the pats enabled escorts cannot be hotwired?

Why would any other immobilizers be needed?

Isnt a pats escort unstartable without the exact key?

i totally agree with your statement . but i know how to get around a pats system its not easy but it can be done

 

Yes I understand it can be got around but are you saying you can do this on aproaching a random car?

Im talking more about security rather than modification.

In theory could you walk up to my car & after breaking in bypass my pats & start the engine?

on a escort yes .but its all down to how much time if i was to borrow your car than i would hook it up to a truck and deal with it later

 

You realise im talking about your average sneak oppurtunist thief dont you? Im not talking about professional stealing to order. Im asking if you could hot wire my car on the spot with minimul tools, how long would it take you? How much time will you need?

I would hope a thief willing to load a car onto a truck and take it would have more sense and be targetting more valuable cars, not a mk6 escort.

Edited September 18, 2010 by PeeWee

[mrfixit]

Something that has always puzzled me in all my years on Evo.

I see many engine mondeo swaps with problems regarding the pats system. Basically having problems finding non pats ecu so that you can get around the transponder problem. If its so hard to start when you have a pats system on your own car then surely without having your key then the pats enabled escorts cannot be hotwired?

Why would any other immobilizers be needed?

Isnt a pats escort unstartable without the exact key?

i totally agree with your statement . but i know how to get around a pats system its not easy but it can be done

 

Yes I understand it can be got around but are you saying you can do this on aproaching a random car?

Im talking more about security rather than modification.

In theory could you walk up to my car & after breaking in bypass my pats & start the engine?

on a escort yes .but its all down to how much time if i was to borrow your car than i would hook it up to a truck and deal with it later

 

You realise im talking about your average sneak oppurtunist thief dont you? Im not talking about professional stealing to order. Im asking if you could hot wire my car on the spot with minimul tools, how long would it take you? How much time will you need?

I would hope a thief willing to load a car onto a truck and take it would have more sense and be targetting more valuable cars, not a mk6 escort.

first off i dont nick cars just incase someone thinking tea leaf right now thats out of the way

 

your right your average thief would not have enough brains to do this.

were i work we have a sets of looms ready made to bypass most if not all factory fitted security systems. armed with just a little knowledge a smart thief could do this but saying that it would not be a m6 unless it was a cossi and than that was a good few years ago when thay were worth more

 

to answer the question how long with minimul tools ie 2 tools and a length wire minimum damage 2 minutes flat that on a m6 others very

Edited September 18, 2010 by mrfixit