Naylor2006 Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 (edited) Hello, As most of you know I did a digi dials conversion last year to stick in the late dials from an escort or mk5 fiesta..puma...etc. All works fine but as reported by everyone who has done this is makes your fuel gauge go backwards. The advise being to replace fuel sender with one from said fiesta's or late escorts. Well ive done that, I bought a fuel sender off here from Wayne off a finesse with digi dials that he was breaking and still my fuel gauge is backwards. Now im not one to instantly assume I have the wrong part so im looking for answers elsewhere if anyone has them? Any ideas? Edited September 22, 2012 by Naylor2006 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScORTED Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 a better test would be to get the dials from the same escort the sender came from and see if they rear forwards or backwards, might just be a wiring issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naylor2006 Posted April 27, 2012 Author Share Posted April 27, 2012 a better test would be to get the dials from the same escort the sender came from and see if they rear forwards or backwards, might just be a wiring issue. True, but the guide thread on here states that the reason its backwards is cause the old sender works differently to the later ones, it was backwards from word go when i swapped the dials which was exactly what I expected to see, what I didnt expect was to get the 'correct' sender and still have the same situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScORTED Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 so forums are gospel? just get hold of a matching sender and gauge, check that these two together with the wiring on your car is capable of what you want if it is you have the wrong sender / gauge combination, if not you need to modify your wiring... Then YOU will know whats what. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naylor2006 Posted April 27, 2012 Author Share Posted April 27, 2012 so forums are gospel? just get hold of a matching sender and gauge, check that these two together with the wiring on your car is capable of what you want if it is you have the wrong sender / gauge combination, if not you need to modify your wiring... Then YOU will know whats what. Well yeh I know but it's usually reliable for guides on here, I mean this was a pretty large wiring re config and the guide got it spot on so I kinda trusted it there on out. An inspection of a digi dials wiring and the old style wiring would of course lead me to the correct conclusion but I already know that the digi dials have to be used with the 32pin digi plug which is wired into the old loom, so all the old wiring remains in tact carrying signals from their relevant senders which are then hooked up to the new plug and it's corresponding wire into the dials themself. Wayne left a bit of wiring attached which he had cut from the car, it was the same. I know that the older pre 1998 sender has 3 plugs, to small round ones and a bigger square white plug, what happens after that point I'm not sure, there's only 1 small wire behind the dash that then goes into the dial cluster. Wiring diagrams for the digi plugs do not exist in the Haynes manual, it's states like some late 1998 models were fitted with digital dials but they do not appear in this manual. I could work this out now if it did, there's obviously a difference in how the sender signal is transferred to the dials, I was lead to believe that it's not the transport of the signal but the signal itsself generated by the sender, hense getting one of and after 1998 model. So I'm not sure how to compare or fix this but for replacing the entire dash wiring for the later escort and also get another sender and it's wiring to the front of the car......or I've been sent the wrong sender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScORTED Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 I'm pretty sure you've misunderstood what I'm trying to tell you. 1. Get the sender and digidials form the same car (ideally get the digidials Wayne removed from the car he took the sender from). 2. Plug them into what you have now and see if they still work as intended: If the matching digidials and sender from Waynes car work in your car then you have a sender /dials mismatch with your current dials and the new sender. However If the matching digidials and sender from Waynes car do not work correctly your wiring is the problem. If you still don't understand then I can try to explain it through the medium of dance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naylor2006 Posted April 27, 2012 Author Share Posted April 27, 2012 I understand you exactly. There isn't anything wrong with the wiring, I've got a backwards fuel gauge like everyone else who has done this conversion, therefore the gauge end of digi dials is always the same, just white or black. Haydnes shows one wire and one wire only from the sender to the fuse box then into the dial plug. So the dials are working as expected after this conversion. It's not the dials. Its either sender or wires but being that there is only one wire how different can it be. My post was first and foremost to hopefull find someone who had only changed the sender and got it to work and could re-affirm that this is all you need to do before I trouble Wayne about the possibility he sent the wrong sender. Grabbing some dials off him and connecting them up to the same backwards gauge wont really help, I'll be asking the same question and if it does suddenly work then well, many many people will be wrong. Look, thanks anyway, I understand what your are saying and yes it would give me an answer but I was looking for someone to give me a first hand answer rather than getting more dials etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScORTED Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 Hopefully someone will pop up, guess what is wrong and it fix the problem for you, you have a modified wiring loom, dials from another car and then a fuel sender from yet another car. Surprisingly things aren't working exactly as you want. http://robinbrown.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/facepalm-500x4001.jpg You are completely dependant on hearsay rather than facts, I mistakenly thought you wanted to fix this, sorry for trying to help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naylor2006 Posted April 27, 2012 Author Share Posted April 27, 2012 Hopefully someone will pop up, guess what is wrong and it fix the problem for you, you have a modified wiring loom, dials from another car and then a fuel sender from yet another car. Surprisingly things aren't working exactly as you want. http://robinbrown.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/facepalm-500x4001.jpg You are completely dependant on hearsay rather than facts, I mistakenly thought you wanted to fix this, sorry for trying to help. Dude there's no need to get defensive or sarcastic because I didn't go with your line of thinking. My sender was the one that came with the car, the 'how to' thread has Stu saying you need the late sender yet no one has actually done it and confirmed working, looks like I'm the first. I also posted a while ago before I got hold of a sender for advice, Stu said then that I would need a sender from the fiesta or late escort. I went out and did that and now I have changed the sender after having a backwards fuel gauge like everyone else in the 'how to' Im not asking for a guess, I'm asking for someone to say 'well I just changed the sender and it worked' then I would know i have the wrong sender. There's plenty of people who have done this conversion so I was hoping someone had changed the sender too to actually confirm it works, if it doesnt work then fitting more dials is a waste of time. I've asked Wayne if he can remember what car it came from see if he remembers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heavyrightfoot Posted April 28, 2012 Share Posted April 28, 2012 The sender defo came from a car with digi dials mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hezz Posted April 28, 2012 Share Posted April 28, 2012 I've asked Wayne if he can remember what car it came from see if he remembers. The sender defo came from a car with digi dials matethink he wanted age / model etc mate didnt someone like trev27 (with a red rs2k) do this conversion and 'how to' it? here tis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naylor2006 Posted April 28, 2012 Author Share Posted April 28, 2012 I've asked Wayne if he can remember what car it came from see if he remembers. The sender defo came from a car with digi dials matethink he wanted age / model etc mate didnt someone like trev27 (with a red rs2k) do this conversion and 'how to' it? here tis Not a member dude, can't view, what's the jist, you change the sender and it works? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmetallica Posted April 28, 2012 Share Posted April 28, 2012 i did my escort.just chnged the sender to later digi one and all worked ok. hth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted April 28, 2012 Share Posted April 28, 2012 Take the part number of the sender you have and ask your local Ford parts desk what vehicles it was used on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naylor2006 Posted April 28, 2012 Author Share Posted April 28, 2012 (edited) i did my escort.just chnged the sender to later digi one and all worked ok. hth Thanks mate, I shall endeavour to get another one, not sure when I'll drop the tank again. Take the part number of the sender you have and ask your local Ford parts desk what vehicles it was used on. Will do, problem is the one Wayne sent is in the car now, it's gotto be the wrong one, I reckon the ford parts helpdesk could probably tell me if they have different part numbers too. I have this picture of the sender, is that the part number on that sticker? I have a high quality image of it on my phone that I can make out the number. http://www.dontcallmeshirley.eclipse.co.uk/phils/phils_pics/mynewcar/MOT2012/IMG_0920.JPG Edited April 28, 2012 by Naylor2006 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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