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hi guys wondering what is the best way to fit central locking to a non cl escort mk 6 is there a way to fit escort cl motors in and wire up to work or after market anyone done this before thanks

 

dozens of times, piece of pi55 to do whether theres existing CL system or just blank canvas.

 

the hardest part really is fitting the solonoids (which tbh isnt that hard really aslong as you plan carefully)

 

with a pre existing CL system all you need do is wire the signal wires from the aftermarket CL module into the existing OEM CL wires, then the remote supplied will simply trigger those signal wires and trick the OEM system into thinking its been triggered normally (a very simple quick job)

 

a non-CL motor is as said a little more tricky but not much, it just requires a little more manual labour in regards to fitting the solonoids and hooking them up to either the inner door handles pull bar or (my own personal preference) the lock barrel itself, you'll also need to feed the wires feeding the solonoids out of the door, through the flexi cable tube near the hinges and into the cab so they can be connected to the control module.

 

though it can seem a bit daunting at first, its really quite simple once you get your head round it..... and so much cleaner, more efficient, usable and all round better looking than the god awful shite IR system Ford originally put in higher spec escort models and some lads think is a "good" addition to their motor even today :rolleyes:

 

good luck, hope that helps

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thanks clearing it up a bit could i use a after market cl kit but use ford cl motors so they will just bolt into place as think i will struggle putting the actuators in place thank you mate

 

aslong as the OEM solonoids are in good shape you shouldnt have an issue, thats also a good option if you own a 5dr as fitting aftermarket solonoids into a 5drs rear doors can be a tad fidgety and often a great deal annoying.

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ohh thats good then would they be hard to wire up to a after maket cl box or is there a way to use standard box bering in mind mine had no cl parts on my car as base modle but i have put electic mirrors on they just pluged in but i used higher spec door loom thanks

 

its an entirely more simple affair to fit a aftermarket CL unit from scratch than to mess about trying to fit the OEM CL unit to a car that doesnt have it, the ford CL units in escorts are tempramental at the very best of times, if fecked about with to much they just become an absolute pain in the turd shoot.

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If you plan to buy a central locking kit but use Ford door lock motors, you're best acquiring a CDL locking module that would enable either front door to lock and unlock all the others doors.

 

This system, is the same in operation as the standard Ford Central Locking and is referred to as Multipoint locking.

 

The Ford door lock motors for the front doors would have 4 or 6 wires and the rear door lock motors only 2 maybe 3, it's a long time since I've worked on such a system, so difficult to remember.

 

A non Ford system but with Ford locking motors, fitted in such a fashion would enable the locking and unlocking of all doors from the passenger side, whether from the inside or outside as well as from the drivers side.

 

However, using a non Ford central locking module would not incorporate the Ford deadlocking facility.

 

For what's its worth, if you're going to go to the trouble of removing door lock motors at the scrap yard, you might as well acquire as much door loom as you can from each door, plus the alarm switches from around the door locks and the Ford CDL/Alarm/deadlock module complete with plugs and a lenght of loom.

 

However, as shawdreamer says, and if you've never done anything like this before, its bloody complicated.

 

I only make the suggestion as you intend to source and use the Ford door lock motors, otherwise, although it can be done, probably is best to buy an Escort with CDL.

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If you plan to buy a central locking kit but use Ford door lock motors, you're best acquiring a CDL locking module that would enable either front door to lock and unlock all the others doors.

 

most aftermarket kits come with 2x master solonoids and 2x slave solonoids (or just the 2x masters in 3dr variant), the master ones go into the front doors and when activated trigger all the other solonoids in exactly the same fashion as fords standard solonoids do so there shouldnt be an issue connecting the ford solonoids to a aftermarket control module (least none that Ive ever encountered and Ive done it dozens of times now)

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Shawdreamer, although you are very knowledgable in regard to you initial reply, I beg to differ.

 

Most door locking kits I've come across tend to be remotely operated and fail to incorporate a master door lock motor, thus only supplying two or four slave motors.

 

I've also found that none remote kits tend to only be supplied with one master door lock motor for the drivers door.

 

Shawdreamer, as we know what we're looking for and what to expect, we wouldn't buy and attemp to fit and incorporate Ford master door lock motors into a single point locking module.

 

I wasn't contradicting your initially reply and I only added my opinion due to the op's suggestion of usding Ford door lock motors, which I assumed would be acquired from a scrap yard.

 

 

FAO original poster, If buying a complete locking kit and discarding the door lock motors supplied with the kit, whether remote controlled or not, ensure that two door lock motors have more than 2 wires each, by doing this, you will be able to incorporate the Ford master door lock motors for both front doors and the Ford slave door lock motors for the rear doors into the system by following the diagrams supplied.

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The kit you refer to; when fitted it will only lock and unlock all doors from the drivers side.

Another 5 wire motor can be incorporated but it's not easy if you don't know what you are doing.

 

In my opinion, best and easier to use a door lock kit that has two master door lock motor with 5 wires each, one for each front door. Then it will be easier to substitute the door lock motors supplied in the kit for the Ford master door lock motors.

 

It all depends how important it is to have locking that operates all doors from both door locks, especially from the outside.

If you're happy that all locking only operates from the drives door, it doesn't matter, however you still plan to use Ford door lock motors.

 

Once connected to the Toad Alarm system and the central locking fitted, the locking will also operate via remote key fob, even when sat in the car. On that model alarm, the central locking can be operated by the key fob while the engine is running with key in ignition.

 

It also has an auto locking anti hijack feature which will locks all the doors when ignition is on and unlocks the moment ignition is switched off.

 

I elaborated on this feature by adding the option to lock doors when foot brake was used and adding a relay to stop doors from attempting to lock once open if foot brake applied.

 

Only problem when doing this, foot brake must be released to open doors.

 

Before fitting your alarm, best install the central locking first.

 

Although the alarm is designed to operate the door lock motors without fitting a seperate central locking system, it can operate all door lock motors from the remote key fob.

 

Withn the alarm wiring diagram it will be referred to as Actuator, it will show a six wire configuration for controlling the door lock motor, think only four of the six wires are used.

 

 

If you can wait a couple of days, I may be able to provide the pick up point for the window closers.

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Shawdreamer, although you are very knowledgable in regard to you initial reply, I beg to differ.

 

Most door locking kits I've come across tend to be remotely operated and fail to incorporate a master door lock motor, thus only supplying two or four slave motors.

 

every...... (and I emphasize "every" there) kit Ive bought for my own and others cars I have fitted them to has come with a minimum of 1 master solonoid if not 2.

 

thats not however due to me ordering a kit everytime with that specific characteristic, when fitting said kits its always primarily to add the "remote locking" feature to the vehicle which is achievable and doesn't essentially require the use of a Master solonoid as you pointed out, regardless of that fact though every kit has still come with a master.

 

I can confirm that quite easily as I tend to prefer using the slave solenoids over the masters and given the fact that over the years I've fitted many examples I've subsequently stockpiled a fair few in various cupboards and back garden shed shelves :rolleyes:

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amazing replies guys thanks alot and window closure will be awsome got a thead open at the minute for that so for a kit with one master drivers door will still be ok to work ford cl motors as just be loads easier to bolt up and plug in to would this kit work with them thank you http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/200549532528?ssP...984.m1423.l2649

 

or this cl kit with two masters http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/360668721831?ssP...984.m1423.l2649

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Shawdreamer, like yourself I've fitted many a stand alone CDL locking kit and from my own experience the vast majority of of kits only provide the one master door lock motor, with additional door lock motors being 2 wire slave motors.

 

I'm certainly not contradicting you although it may appear so, however we both share different experiences of purchasing and installing the same products.

 

The link to the CDL kit that the op posted, appeared to be a single point locking kit, thus only one master door lock motor supplied plus three slave motors.

 

Yes, some stand alone CDL kits do come with two master door lock motors as well as the relevent slave motors but from my experience, such a kits have to be specifically requested.

 

My point to raising this issue was not to contradict you.

 

I was attempting to emphasise to the op that if they intend to use the Ford door lock motors, with Ford master door lock motors installed in to each of front doors, it'll be far easier to install using a multipoint CDL kit and following the wiring diagram and to substitute the door lock motors supplied with the kit for the Ford door lock motors than attempt to configure the passenger side Ford master door lock motor into what is essentially a single point CDL kit.

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