Orange peel

[PeeWee]

When people trust their computers with me it is my duty to ensure they get it back better than they brought it to me

 

that reminds me PeeWock........... when are you gonna get rid of these midget porn pop-up issues that came WITH the pc I bought off ya.

 

I wouldnt mind but what that little woman can fit up there would make a elephant whince.

 

 

They arn't pop-ups they are the ones specifically requested by you before I brought it.

[tomsy]

If he says he's has problems with silicones, why on earth he has sprayed the car I don't know. Regardless of your car being to clean or type of wax you use, silicon in paint work will look like a Hammerite finish.

Yes your car may have a high silicon wax on it, or could be what you use interior, but that said there are solvent degreasers you can use which will eliminate this.

But I he has been suffering Problems then he needs to look at the filters in the oven, filtration on compresser is it emptied every single day, as water/oil from compresser will travel down the the airline contaminating paint. What type of deodorant is the sprayer using this can also contribute. Are the fitters anywhere near spray booths, if they are and there spraying waxoyl, spray grease, duck oil/wd40 these will cause it aswell once there airborne. Has a batch of paint been contaminated so many factors will cause this it's just a case of eliminating them one by one.

 

As for the orange peel. Basically it's down to the prep work and the sprayer, trouble is with these new HS laquers a lot are designed to just have a hardner added, making it slightly thicker than normal, as it's made so you apply a very light coat first, followed by one full wet coat that's it. Which is why you see a lot of the newer cars are orange peely.

But that said did the sprayer use the correct mixing ratio, fairly simple to get it right as gone are the days of mixing sticks, ours is all done on computer by wieght. It could be the gun set up he is using, not applying the laquer correctly. Prep work was rushed as with any paint job it's the prep work that will make the paint job.

 

Removing orange peel would consist of the paint being flatted and ie,

Flat with p1500

Flat with p2000

Flat with trizact p3000

Then use 3m three stage polishing system. Which will be a lot of work, but you really need to be carefull because it doesn't take a lot to go through on the edges. And there's also the fact if you get the laquer completely smooth and flat you run the risk of it looking lovely. Then after a month it will go satin look as you have flatted a lot of the body/depth out of it.

 

All that said we repair high end motors that are covered in silicon, tyre dressings, dash cleaner, and we suffer no problems from it because before these cars even hit the work shop they will have neat tfr applied and jet washed off, then they will be cleaned with DuPont prepsol which is one of the strongest solvent degreasers you can get.

 

I don't suppose your around the Essex area I'd have no problems in giving you a second opinion.

Thanks for a very comprehensive run down on what might have gone wrong, picked the car up today and it doesn't look quite so bad with every thing back on.The worst affeected areas are the bonnet and rear quarter panels, the bumpers and bonnet were sprayed on their own in the booth, and yet the bumpers are perfect and the bonnet not so good. Think im gonna have to live with it for now as it was doing my head in being with out the car for 4 weeks while it was being done.Its only cost me £900 and overall the car does look better for it so perhaps i shouldn't be so critical thanks again everyone for your comments and advise.

[Ahmotorsport]

If he says he's has problems with silicones, why on earth he has sprayed the car I don't know. Regardless of your car being to clean or type of wax you use, silicon in paint work will look like a Hammerite finish.

Yes your car may have a high silicon wax on it, or could be what you use interior, but that said there are solvent degreasers you can use which will eliminate this.

But I he has been suffering Problems then he needs to look at the filters in the oven, filtration on compresser is it emptied every single day, as water/oil from compresser will travel down the the airline contaminating paint. What type of deodorant is the sprayer using this can also contribute. Are the fitters anywhere near spray booths, if they are and there spraying waxoyl, spray grease, duck oil/wd40 these will cause it aswell once there airborne. Has a batch of paint been contaminated so many factors will cause this it's just a case of eliminating them one by one.

 

As for the orange peel. Basically it's down to the prep work and the sprayer, trouble is with these new HS laquers a lot are designed to just have a hardner added, making it slightly thicker than normal, as it's made so you apply a very light coat first, followed by one full wet coat that's it. Which is why you see a lot of the newer cars are orange peely.

But that said did the sprayer use the correct mixing ratio, fairly simple to get it right as gone are the days of mixing sticks, ours is all done on computer by wieght. It could be the gun set up he is using, not applying the laquer correctly. Prep work was rushed as with any paint job it's the prep work that will make the paint job.

 

Removing orange peel would consist of the paint being flatted and ie,

Flat with p1500

Flat with p2000

Flat with trizact p3000

Then use 3m three stage polishing system. Which will be a lot of work, but you really need to be carefull because it doesn't take a lot to go through on the edges. And there's also the fact if you get the laquer completely smooth and flat you run the risk of it looking lovely. Then after a month it will go satin look as you have flatted a lot of the body/depth out of it.

 

All that said we repair high end motors that are covered in silicon, tyre dressings, dash cleaner, and we suffer no problems from it because before these cars even hit the work shop they will have neat tfr applied and jet washed off, then they will be cleaned with DuPont prepsol which is one of the strongest solvent degreasers you can get.

 

I don't suppose your around the Essex area I'd have no problems in giving you a second opinion.

Thanks for a very comprehensive run down on what might have gone wrong, picked the car up today and it doesn't look quite so bad with every thing back on.The worst affeected areas are the bonnet and rear quarter panels, the bumpers and bonnet were sprayed on their own in the booth, and yet the bumpers are perfect and the bonnet not so good. Think im gonna have to live with it for now as it was doing my head in being with out the car for 4 weeks while it was being done.Its only cost me £900 and overall the car does look better for it so perhaps i shouldn't be so critical thanks again everyone for your comments and advise.

Post some pictures of it, i'm sure AndyB can tell you what it's worth.

[tomsy]

Pictures of it will be posted on my suym thread when i get round to updating it