Orange peel

[tomsy]

This is for all you paint experts on here, have recently had my gti resprayed havn't had car back yet but have been paying daily visits to bodyshop to see work progressing. The problem i've got is the finish looks very orange peely to me the person doing the respray says he's had a lot of problems caused by silicon due to the car being highly polished before, could this have been prevented, and secondly what can be done to get a decent finish now, will the car need repainting or can it be wet sanded and polished.

[JC]

Mine apparently had issues with silicone and they had to re paint, any good body hsop will only give you a decent job back, don't settle for less!

 

 

i'm sure AndyB will give a more technical answer

[Ahmotorsport]

(I'm no expert) But when i sprayed my car, the bonnet had quite a bit of orange peel, no matter how much i wet sanded/polished, it didn't go anywhere, i think it depends if it was in the primer or top coat, mine, inevitably was in the primer.

[SLEEMAN]

First of all they should never wet sand unless de nibbing any dirt inclusions in the paint as i know that wet sanding should only really be used to sand the primer down. And if it's very orange peely then they either have a crap paint sprayer or they rushed it. They should have 1500 dry discs they should use and then a 2000 disc which smoothes it all down then polishes back good.

[shawdreamer]

Questions,

 

1. how bad is the effected area? (picture would help)

 

2. how many coats of colour?

 

3. cellulose or 2 pack?

 

4. was it taken down to bare metal and etch primed or just surface primed?

 

 

If its cellulose then the peel CAN be confined to surface area in most cases and aslong as the colour coats were good barring the peel you can often recover with wet & dry, a whole load of compound polishing and perhaps a pro mopping.

 

if its 2 pack however its more likely that the peeling effect travels alot deeper than the upper colour coats as 2 pack takes longer to dry and requires more exacting conditions to achieve a good finish result which means if it shows peel effect it often means something important has been missed out the application process or/and the job has been rushed (which in itself can be disastrous with 2 pack)

[PeeWee]

Don't accept anything other than the finished job. It is not your place to correct a workmans error or bad workmanship.

Any decent sprayer should be able to deal with excess polish before working on it.

Edited April 8, 2012 by PeeWee

[tomsy]

Thanks for all your comments and advice especially shawdreamer i take it your profession is body repairs and spraying. I dont exactly know what paint has been used or how many coats, i take it from whats been said that if the car is prepared for spraying properly then the fact that a lot of polish has been used shouldn't affect the finish, and the reason its orange peeled is probably down to it being rushed.

[PeeWee]

Is this a professional body shop/garage?

[tomsy]

Is this a professional body shop/garage?

Yes it is and i've seen some of the work that he's turned out and its been of a good standard, just dont understand why mine looks so crap, it wasn't like the car was in a real bad way to start with just wanted the car looking as good as it possibly could.

[PeeWee]

Is this a professional body shop/garage?

Yes it is and i've seen some of the work that he's turned out and its been of a good standard, just dont understand why mine looks so crap, it wasn't like the car was in a real bad way to start with just wanted the car looking as good as it possibly could.

 

 

In that case your paying them good money to ensure it's like new. There is no need for you to worry how you or they will sort this problem, it's their job to make it right.

[tomsy]

Is this a professional body shop/garage?

Yes it is and i've seen some of the work that he's turned out and its been of a good standard, just dont understand why mine looks so crap, it wasn't like the car was in a real bad way to start with just wanted the car looking as good as it possibly could.

 

 

In that case your paying them good money to ensure it's like new. There is no need for you to worry how you or they will sort this problem, it's their job to make it right.

Thanks for your words of support, he's working on car this weekend so hopefully when i go to see it on tuesday it might be in better shape fingers crossed.

[PeeWee]

When people trust their computers with me it is my duty to ensure they get it back better than they brought it to me, I wouldn't expect paying if I made it worse.

When I handed my cab over for bodywork and spraying work I expected the same, anything tricky or awkward wasn't my concern as I was paying for their skill in that area.

Edited April 9, 2012 by PeeWee

[Mike-evans]

Do let us know the outcome

 

I was up this body shop around 2 weeks ago having a quote to do my rear arch

[Andyb0127]

If he says he's has problems with silicones, why on earth he has sprayed the car I don't know. Regardless of your car being to clean or type of wax you use, silicon in paint work will look like a Hammerite finish.

Yes your car may have a high silicon wax on it, or could be what you use interior, but that said there are solvent degreasers you can use which will eliminate this.

But I he has been suffering Problems then he needs to look at the filters in the oven, filtration on compresser is it emptied every single day, as water/oil from compresser will travel down the the airline contaminating paint. What type of deodorant is the sprayer using this can also contribute. Are the fitters anywhere near spray booths, if they are and there spraying waxoyl, spray grease, duck oil/wd40 these will cause it aswell once there airborne. Has a batch of paint been contaminated so many factors will cause this it's just a case of eliminating them one by one.

 

As for the orange peel. Basically it's down to the prep work and the sprayer, trouble is with these new HS laquers a lot are designed to just have a hardner added, making it slightly thicker than normal, as it's made so you apply a very light coat first, followed by one full wet coat that's it. Which is why you see a lot of the newer cars are orange peely.

But that said did the sprayer use the correct mixing ratio, fairly simple to get it right as gone are the days of mixing sticks, ours is all done on computer by wieght. It could be the gun set up he is using, not applying the laquer correctly. Prep work was rushed as with any paint job it's the prep work that will make the paint job.

 

Removing orange peel would consist of the paint being flatted and ie,

Flat with p1500

Flat with p2000

Flat with trizact p3000

Then use 3m three stage polishing system. Which will be a lot of work, but you really need to be carefull because it doesn't take a lot to go through on the edges. And there's also the fact if you get the laquer completely smooth and flat you run the risk of it looking lovely. Then after a month it will go satin look as you have flatted a lot of the body/depth out of it.

 

All that said we repair high end motors that are covered in silicon, tyre dressings, dash cleaner, and we suffer no problems from it because before these cars even hit the work shop they will have neat tfr applied and jet washed off, then they will be cleaned with DuPont prepsol which is one of the strongest solvent degreasers you can get.

 

I don't suppose your around the Essex area I'd have no problems in giving you a second opinion.

[shawdreamer]

When people trust their computers with me it is my duty to ensure they get it back better than they brought it to me

 

that reminds me PeeWock........... when are you gonna get rid of these midget porn pop-up issues that came WITH the pc I bought off ya.

 

I wouldnt mind but what that little woman can fit up there would make a elephant whince.

Edited April 10, 2012 by shawdreamer