Is the rear offset increased when ST170 discs fitted

[demented]

Mine currently has rear drums with 4 wheel ABS.

 

I want rear discs but I want to retain the ABS and the only rear discs conversion I'm aware of that keeps 4 wheel ABS, is a Focus rear disc set up.

 

Another forum member suggest use Escort Stuff, other than use a Mk5 Rs2000 rear beam n discs, I just wonder if he knew of a different method.

[bongo]

use the focus rear disc conversion then,(what i have,but havent got abs,but the beam did,i removed it)

[james08]

Will the offset issue be the same, even if I acquire stub axles from any Focus with rear discs, rather than a ST170 ?

 

that wont change anything as its all the same parts apart from the caliper bracket

[demented]

Yes

Some

You should

Most likely

Possible but not ideal

Not sure

 

 

Why not just use the proper Escort stuff?

 

I think some are misunderstanding my questions!

 

I'm aware of mk5 Rs rear beam n discs = no ABS

 

I'm aware of Focus rear discs set up = ABS

 

I want rear discs and I want to retain 4 wheel ABS.

 

Stu stated " why not use proper Escort stuff ?"

 

Does Stu know of a method to use proper Escort stuff, such as a Mk5 Rs rear beam with 4 wheel ABS ?

 

Otherwise, I don't know what is meant by proper Escort stuff.

 

I want rear discs, I want to retain 4 wheel ABS, how is this achievable with proper Escort stuff ?

[demented]

use the focus rear disc conversion then,(what i have,but havent got abs,but the beam did,i removed it)

 

 

You may of had 4 wheel ABS with rear drums and your old rear beam accommodated the ABS.

 

Now you have converted to Focus rear discs but without ABS, so if your car had ABS initially but now not, how do you get car through the MOT test ?

 

I don't believe the mk5/6 Rs2000 ever had rear ABS.

 

Maybe the 4x4 did but I believe the rear discs and suspension set up is very different due to the 4wd.

 

I have every intention of using the Focus rear disc set up to retain the 4 wheel ABS, that's why my initial question asked about the wheel offset ect.

 

As you've already done the conversion, did you have to replace the rear wheels to match the new offset of the focus rear disc conversion ?

[bongo]

use the focus rear disc conversion then,(what i have,but havent got abs,but the beam did,i removed it)

 

 

You may of had 4 wheel ABS with rear drums and your old rear beam accommodated the ABS.

 

Now you have converted to Focus rear discs but without ABS, so if your car had ABS initially but now not, how do you get car through the MOT test ?

my car doesnt have abs,but the car i took it off did.

 

I don't believe the mk5/6 Rs2000 ever had rear ABS.

the mk6 rs i have (that im stripping) does.

 

Maybe the 4x4 did but I believe the rear discs and suspension set up is very different due to the 4wd.

 

I have every intention of using the Focus rear disc set up to retain the 4 wheel ABS, that's why my initial question asked about the wheel offset ect.

 

As you've already done the conversion, did you have to replace the rear wheels to match the new offset of the focus rear disc conversion ?

 

no i didn't the standard escort wheel sits in quite a bit, i have 17"7j alloys but i did roll my arches to be safe,your looking at a extra 20-25mm with the focus hubs.

 

before..

 

http://www.evo-host.co.uk/getimg/30236.jpg

 

after..

 

http://www.evo-host.co.uk/getimg/30237.jpg

[demented]

Hey, thanks for the photos.

 

My arches already been rolled by previous owner.

 

20-25mm sounds far too much to machine off the discs !

 

So, you have a Rs2000 rear beam with discs, rear ABS, complete with sensors and reluctor rings ?

 

I was lead to believe that the Rs2000 with rear discs never had rear ABS.

 

So, if what you say is correct, then yeah I will try and source Rs rear beam with ABS.

 

As you've not got ABS, how come you decided to fit the Focus set up rather than the Rs rear beam ?

 

 

I'm aware the mk6 Rs2000 has rear ABS, it has ABS to all 4 wheel but it has rear drums and not rear discs.

[bongo]

Hey, thanks for the photos.

 

My arches already been rolled by previous owner.

 

20-25mm sounds far too much to machine off the discs !

 

So, you have a Rs2000 rear beam with discs, rear ABS, complete with sensors and reluctor rings ?

 

I was lead to believe that the Rs2000 with rear discs never had rear ABS.

 

So, if what you say is correct, then yeah I will try and source Rs rear beam with ABS.

 

As you've not got ABS, how come you decided to fit the Focus set up rather than the Rs rear beam ?

 

 

I'm aware the mk6 Rs2000 has rear ABS, it has ABS to all 4 wheel but it has rear drums and not rear discs.

 

why do you want to machine the discs?

 

no i have a normal mk6 beam (as the focus hubs will only bolt to a mk6 beam) and i removed the abs from it, as my car doesn't have abs.

 

i fitted the focus setup for 3 reasons.....

 

1....i did have a escort disc beam but i had a ovalled hub and took me months to find another,

 

2....i wanted the focus setup because,there'e plenty of parts available (calipers hubs etc....) pus i wanted to space the wheels out cos the look lost in the rear arches

 

3....the rear is dropped by about 10-15mm when fitting a escort disc beam,so this gives an uneven drop on the car.

[danj8608]

The loom for the rear abs on the escorts is it on a plug? I removed the abs sensors from st170 hubs and it was only a short cable with a plug on the end. Maybe you could wire them together.. I have seen either on this forum or another where the car made the abs work withe the focus hubs..

[danj8608]

Found

http://www.escortevolution.co.uk/forums/in...=123088&hl=

 

 

Well most of the pics have gone maybe it's best if you pm the member...that's if he still comes on here

[demented]

I understand what's needed to add focus rear discs set up with ABS.

 

Focus rear stub axles, discs & calipers etc, modified handbrake cable & puma front hose or something, can't remember which.

 

I believed Focus rear discs set up, is only way to add rear discs to Mk6 Escort and retain 4 wheel ABS.

 

It's only comments on here, "use proper Escort stuff" or "use a Rs2000 ABS rear beam" which has raised my questions.

 

As for the Focus set up, I wasn't sure which ABS sensor I would use. I would assume the Focus ABS sensors as they fit in the carriers, for all I know, the Escort and Focus ABS sensors could be one of the very same part.

 

I wasn't aware the Focus parts require machining to keep ABS, after all, the Focus rear carriers/stub axles etc already have ABS sensor fitted and all the parts fit together when on the Focus ?

 

The Focus stub axles share the same bolt pattern as the Escort Mk6 rear beam, so should bolt straight on, although there maybe the need to make room/drill holes for the ABS sensor to fit through Escort rear beam, I cant understand what needs machining ?

 

My initially question was in regard to rear wheel offset when Focus rear discs fitted, how much is offset increased by, would I need to change my alloys to match new offsets and which ABS sensors to use ?

 

All other questions have arose from replies received.

[demented]

why do you want to machine the discs?

 

I believed the discs where machined to reduce the offset but I may of got confused.

 

I've now discovered to retain 4 wheel ABS with ABS on the rear, the Focus discs are machined to fit toothed ABS reluctor rings, so I'll have to machine the discs to keep 4 wheel ABS.

 

That's possibly what the reference to machining I've read about was referring to.

[JC]

Didn't minirotty post a how to some where?

[bongo]

Didn't minirotty post a how to some where?

 

http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j...aoEnxymiPFY3gHQ

[demented]

Didn't minirotty post a how to some where?

 

http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j...aoEnxymiPFY3gHQ

 

 

Didn't minirotty post a how to some where?

 

http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j...aoEnxymiPFY3gHQ

 

Yeah, thanks got that.

Think, I know where I'm going now, know all I need to know, for time being anyway.