redmex Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 Hi GuysWe all know the early ECU's were DESK DEWY DEEPHas anyone noticed better or worse Mapping on any of the above?. Which is the earliest and last made? The reason i ask is i seem to recall Ford had problems with the early Zetecs not liking being started then switched off. Such as started- moved out the garage and switched off. Then you try to start it 2 mins later and they would flood! I worked for Fords back then but my memory isnt clear enough to know if it was one of the above ECU's that were a problem BTW Does anyone have a working copy of Microcat etc? Sparkie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naylor2006 Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 Im not sure I have a specific answer to your question however ive flooded my old Mk6 1.6 with its 1.6ECU before, like pulling out of the garage on a cold day and stalling, then you have to wait a bit before the car will fire again, did it on a 1.4 LX mk6 also, obviously none of which had DESK, DEEP or DEWY ECU's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 Now that's a question to revive some grey matter. Two of them are practically the same calibration and use the same sensors, one is an odd one out (uses a different MAF too). IIRC DEWY and DEEP are very close but DESK is the odd one out, and potentially slightly earlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig855S Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 What about DALE? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redmex Posted July 18, 2012 Author Share Posted July 18, 2012 Thanks for the input. Hopefully someone will hit the nail on the head here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JC Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 Now that's a question to revive some grey matter. Two of them are practically the same calibration and use the same sensors, one is an odd one out (uses a different MAF too). IIRC DEWY and DEEP are very close but DESK is the odd one out, and potentially slightly earlier. That would tally with my thoughts too. I have a DESK ECU on mine and came by a DEWY and going to swap and see it any difference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redmex Posted July 18, 2012 Author Share Posted July 18, 2012 Now that's a question to revive some grey matter. Two of them are practically the same calibration and use the same sensors, one is an odd one out (uses a different MAF too). IIRC DEWY and DEEP are very close but DESK is the odd one out, and potentially slightly earlier. That would tally with my thoughts too. I have a DESK ECU on mine and came by a DEWY and going to swap and see it any differencePlease let us know how it goes JC. I have a DESK and a DEEP but cant try either yet as I have done the engine swap yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 I doubt that swap will improve anything, especially if you don't change to the right MAF! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveB Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 In terms of age I believe it is DESK first, then DEWY, then DEEP, then DALE. For the PATS ECUs it's TAXI first then TELL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redmex Posted July 19, 2012 Author Share Posted July 19, 2012 (edited) I doubt that swap will improve anything, especially if you don't change to the right MAF!Im now getting confused. So the DESK and DEEP ECU's I have here use different MAF's from each other?? If so that could make things awkward as i was going to use whichever comes from Donor I doubt that swap will improve anything, especially if you don't change to the right MAF!Im now getting confused. So the DESK and DEEP ECU's I have here use different MAF's from each other?? If so that could make things awkward as i was going to use whichever comes from DonorThis is when i wish i had a copy of microcat. Last one i had was 2003 version So if I used a 97 donor for example, would the Maf be ok for the DESK or DEEP??. what a pain in the a** Sparkie Edited July 19, 2012 by redmex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted July 20, 2012 Share Posted July 20, 2012 I don't have the part numbers anymore, sorry! But I distinctly remember the MAF linearisation different between the calibrations! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveB Posted July 20, 2012 Share Posted July 20, 2012 I don't have the part numbers anymore, sorry! But I distinctly remember the MAF linearisation different between the calibrations! +1 that. If you have a donor car then make sure you take both the MAF and ECU from it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redmex Posted July 20, 2012 Author Share Posted July 20, 2012 I don't have the part numbers anymore, sorry! But I distinctly remember the MAF linearisation different between the calibrations! +1 that. If you have a donor car then make sure you take both the MAF and ECU from it.OK ive got MAF from the DEEP donor car so i will be fitting that set. On that theory the DESK ecu wont be much use alone. I know of a 2 litre Blacktop thats done 47k with history. Now i know ppl say its a more awkward conversion but how much ???. What is different, can i still use the escort sump, clutch, water pump ,inlet and I assume the Blacktop injectors fit the escort manifold?.. I can weld very good so mounts are not a great issue. Im asking as I can get the engine for £150 complete Keeping my options openSparkie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted July 20, 2012 Share Posted July 20, 2012 The later engine is superior (apart from block strength, but it's hardly an issue), but it is a bit of a pain to fit. You don't need to use the black top injectors, infact you most likely dont want to, unless you're using the matching management. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redmex Posted July 30, 2012 Author Share Posted July 30, 2012 I don't have the part numbers anymore, sorry! But I distinctly remember the MAF linearisation different between the calibrations!UPDATEGot my 2003 microcat working According to the cat, the 2 litre zetec never changed the Injectors or MAF part numbers from 1/93 to 5/98 ie silvertopsThe MAF is 93BB 12B579 BA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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