etrebus Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 been looking at a accident damadged rover 25 today not much damage at all but found engine wont start sounds very much like there is little or no compression ,rad is broken and has lost all its coolant so im assuming it was driven after it was crashed and done a head gasket .my question is what are the chances that the overheating has damaged the engine beyond repair. the car has only done 20,000 miles and is in execellent order apart from the above .im willing to do a head gasket but dont want to end up changing the engine .the car is up for £400 and its a 53 plate i know any overheating can f**k the engine but i know thes engines are also very prone to head gaskets but how many need a new engine ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hicksy Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 I would have said you would get away with getting the head skimmed and putting on a MLS headgasket, obviously get the block checked when the head is off but i dont think ive heard of a rover engine fcuking the block from overheating. There is plenty of bits about for them, so even if the head is beyond salvage a replacement wouldnt cost the earth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
etrebus Posted November 10, 2012 Author Share Posted November 10, 2012 I would have said you would get away with getting the head skimmed and putting on a MLS headgasket, obviously get the block checked when the head is off but i dont think ive heard of a rover engine fcuking the block from overheating. There is plenty of bits about for them, so even if the head is beyond salvage a replacement wouldnt cost the earth.cheers for speedy reply thats what i wanted to hear would have thought it would be siezed if it was f***ked, do you kwow if they break down due to low compression before they over heat seriously Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ahmotorsport Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 It's not about how flat the faces are now, it's about have the pistons partially seized in, or even seized in completely. I'd say it's not worth it. Even if the worst happens and you put another engine in, 9 times out of 10 that engine is also nackered, i've had experience with that 4 times now. The rule of thumb for K series is the head gasket will fail after every 25,000 miles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
etrebus Posted November 10, 2012 Author Share Posted November 10, 2012 It's not about how flat the faces are now, it's about have the pistons partially seized in, or even seized in completely. I'd say it's not worth it. Even if the worst happens and you put another engine in, 9 times out of 10 that engine is also nackered, i've had experience with that 4 times now. The rule of thumb for K series is the head gasket will fail after every 25,000 miles.ithink the issue is sorted now if you fit the modified mls gasket Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ahmotorsport Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 It's not about how flat the faces are now, it's about have the pistons partially seized in, or even seized in completely. I'd say it's not worth it. Even if the worst happens and you put another engine in, 9 times out of 10 that engine is also nackered, i've had experience with that 4 times now. The rule of thumb for K series is the head gasket will fail after every 25,000 miles.ithink the issue is sorted now if you fit the modified mls gasket I've got no experience with the MLS gasket, so i can't say anything about it. I just try and steer clear of anything with K Series written on it! (i kid) I'd still say it's not worth it, purely because if the pistons are seized, it needs a new engine and that engine may also have unknown problems and it will cost you time and money for nothing. Are they even worth £400 when they're running correctly? The K Series was doomed from the start when they put the thermostat in the block. I believe they even run the same head gasket whether it's 1600 or 1800, which is silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
etrebus Posted November 10, 2012 Author Share Posted November 10, 2012 It's not about how flat the faces are now, it's about have the pistons partially seized in, or even seized in completely. I'd say it's not worth it. Even if the worst happens and you put another engine in, 9 times out of 10 that engine is also nackered, i've had experience with that 4 times now. The rule of thumb for K series is the head gasket will fail after every 25,000 miles.ithink the issue is sorted now if you fit the modified mls gasket I've got no experience with the MLS gasket, so i can't say anything about it. I just try and steer clear of anything with K Series written on it! (i kid) I'd still say it's not worth it, purely because if the pistons are seized, it needs a new engine and that engine may also have unknown problems and it will cost you time and money for nothing. Are they even worth £400 when they're running correctly? The K Series was doomed from the start when they put the thermostat in the block. I believe they even run the same head gasket whether it's 1600 or 1800, which is silly.i see what you are saying but where can you get a 20,000 mile car for £500 .the head gasket will prob cost about £100 to do and the damage is purley cosmetic an engine would cost me £200 ish just the head gasket and its a cheap car but an engine change might not make it worth it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ahmotorsport Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 i see what you are saying but where can you get a 20,000 mile car for £500 .the head gasket will prob cost about £100 to do and the damage is purley cosmetic an engine would cost me £200 ish just the head gasket and its a cheap car but an engine change might not make it worth it But do Rovers have any value? Apart from the Honda engined ones? Yeah but if you add it up, for the worst. £400 for the car£50 for the gasket kit£30 for head skim Still fails. £200 for another engine. You're getting onto £700 if worst comes to worst, that's just for the mechanicals, then it's also no longer a 20,000 mile car. Of course if this car isn't for making a profit, then that's completely down to whether it's worth it to you. But bare in mind, you can get this for £300 which has a poorly enginehttp://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1999-FORD-FOCUS-...=item1e74570198 And the Focus is a 10x better car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
etrebus Posted November 10, 2012 Author Share Posted November 10, 2012 i see what you are saying but where can you get a 20,000 mile car for £500 .the head gasket will prob cost about £100 to do and the damage is purley cosmetic an engine would cost me £200 ish just the head gasket and its a cheap car but an engine change might not make it worth it But do Rovers have any value? Apart from the Honda engined ones? Yeah but if you add it up, for the worst. £400 for the car£50 for the gasket kit£30 for head skim Still fails. £200 for another engine. You're getting onto £700 if worst comes to worst, that's just for the mechanicals, then it's also no longer a 20,000 mile car. Of course if this car isn't for making a profit, then that's completely down to whether it's worth it to you. But bare in mind, you can get this for £300 which has a poorly enginehttp://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1999-FORD-FOCUS-...=item1e74570198thats done 128,000 and its got that rubbish yamaha engine lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ahmotorsport Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 thats done 128,000 and its got that rubbish yamaha engine lol Nothing wrong with a Sigma and it's still a better car! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james08 Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 But bare in mind, you can get this for £300 which has a poorly enginehttp://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1999-FORD-FOCUS-...=item1e74570198 And the Focus is a 10x better car. engine for that, £100 - 200, cambelt £50 ish, service £50 ish, clutch (may aswel do it while the engine/box are out) £30, £630 (assuming you do the work yourself) and thats not a bad car for the money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
etrebus Posted November 10, 2012 Author Share Posted November 10, 2012 (edited) think you are missing my point yes that may be a cheap car still but im asking about rover head gaskets lol its probably me but i just dont like them engines .my son has a little rover 25 and its a great car ,my misses drives my escort and its getting tired and she likes driving the rover so i was looking at getting her one Edited November 10, 2012 by etrebus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ahmotorsport Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 think you are missing my point yes that may be a cheap car still but im asking about rover head gaskets lol its probably me but i just dont like them engines .my son has a little rover 25 and its a great car ,my misses drives my escort and its getting tired and she likes driving the rover so i was looking at getting her one If it's for your missus then go for it, i thought you were after some profit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
etrebus Posted November 10, 2012 Author Share Posted November 10, 2012 think you are missing my point yes that may be a cheap car still but im asking about rover head gaskets lol its probably me but i just dont like them engines .my son has a little rover 25 and its a great car ,my misses drives my escort and its getting tired and she likes driving the rover so i was looking at getting her one If it's for your missus then go for it, i thought you were after some profit.no just want a cheap tax cheap insurance low milage reliable car ,lol is that to much to ask for Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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