2.0l MK6 Escort 3dr

[Naylor2006]

That's very nice of you mate! Just postage you want covered right?

 

So I don't need a chipped key but just a key made that has the same pattern? I mean my key won't start my buddies 2.0 converted car as his won't mine but our keys look identicle?

 

Reunited with my car, finally off to bed, 2 night shifts to go

Edited July 21, 2012 by Naylor2006

[redmex]

That's very nice of you mate! Just postage you want covered right?

 

So I don't need a chipped key but just a key made that has the same pattern? I mean my key won't start my buddies 2.0 converted car as his won't mine but our keys look identicle?

 

Reunited with my car, finally off to bed, 2 night shifts to go

Soz mate, cant find it

As to the car not starting on wrong key i assume u mean the key wont turn?. As i said the ECU can be hotwired with no need for key so no worries there

[Naylor2006]

That's very nice of you mate! Just postage you want covered right?

 

So I don't need a chipped key but just a key made that has the same pattern? I mean my key won't start my buddies 2.0 converted car as his won't mine but our keys look identicle?

 

Reunited with my car, finally off to bed, 2 night shifts to go

Soz mate, cant find it

As to the car not starting on wrong key i assume u mean the key wont turn?. As i said the ECU can be hotwired with no need for key so no worries there

 

Yeh, I mean the key won't turn, I'm not sure I understand how these keys work now, if the chip is disabled then what's different about the keys, i though the majority were cut the same?

[PeeWee]

That's very nice of you mate! Just postage you want covered right?

 

So I don't need a chipped key but just a key made that has the same pattern? I mean my key won't start my buddies 2.0 converted car as his won't mine but our keys look identicle?

 

Reunited with my car, finally off to bed, 2 night shifts to go

Soz mate, cant find it

As to the car not starting on wrong key i assume u mean the key wont turn?. As i said the ECU can be hotwired with no need for key so no worries there

 

Yeh, I mean the key won't turn, I'm not sure I understand how these keys work now, if the chip is disabled then what's different about the keys, i though the majority were cut the same?

 

They can't be the same or surely people could lock & unlock your car door (the chip has no effect on your door or the fuel cap, only the ignition)

Also how could you have pre pats cars/ignition all with the same key?

Bad luck on the whole cap incident, things that seem quite menial to some can cause a right mess-about to the owner that they don't see.

Edited July 22, 2012 by PeeWee

[Naylor2006]

That's very nice of you mate! Just postage you want covered right?

 

So I don't need a chipped key but just a key made that has the same pattern? I mean my key won't start my buddies 2.0 converted car as his won't mine but our keys look identicle?

 

Reunited with my car, finally off to bed, 2 night shifts to go

Soz mate, cant find it

As to the car not starting on wrong key i assume u mean the key wont turn?. As i said the ECU can be hotwired with no need for key so no worries there

 

Yeh, I mean the key won't turn, I'm not sure I understand how these keys work now, if the chip is disabled then what's different about the keys, i though the majority were cut the same?

 

They can't be the same or surely people could lock & unlock your car door (the chip has no effect on your door or the fuel cap, only the ignition)

Also how could you have pre pats cars/ignition all with the same key?

Bad luck on the whole cap incident, things that seem quite menial to some can cause a right mess-about to the owner that they don't see.

 

Cool, so what else is in the key which allows it to unlock the car then? I mean I need a new key made so im just trying to figure out what I need to ask for, obviously dont need a chip.

 

Yeh it sucks mate, at first I thought yeh this is shite but then I got a new cap which opened and closed with my key (which ive since found out happens when they are tired and old and shouldnt happen as per the design), then the other night when it was responsible for what happened I actually got more angry about the theft then I was originally, specially as I was late for work which I hate.

[PeeWee]

Nothing else in the key except a chip that in your case means nothing mate. ( yours is pre pats right?)

[Naylor2006]

Nothing else in the key except a chip that in your case means nothing mate. ( yours is pre pats right?)

 

Yeh thats right.

 

So whats involved in me getting my key copied? How is one key different to the next considering I have no chip, the way its cut? That sounds like such a stupid thing to say but you know what I mean.

Edited July 22, 2012 by Naylor2006

[JAMGTI]

Although the keys all look the same there are small differences, I went to my local ford dealer to get a new key for my RS and the parts guy just looked at the key, wrote some numbers down and came back with a freshly cut key that worked first time, think there are how to work it out guides on youtube.

 

keys can usually lock any car but won't open them, have locked myself out before doing this and had to break the window(was scrapping car though), worn keys and locks may also work.

 

If you don't have pats then you only need a new key cutting, i would try fords first before a high street store.

[Naylor2006]

Although the keys all look the same there are small differences, I went to my local ford dealer to get a new key for my RS and the parts guy just looked at the key, wrote some numbers down and came back with a freshly cut key that worked first time, think there are how to work it out guides on youtube.

 

keys can usually lock any car but won't open them, have locked myself out before doing this and had to break the window(was scrapping car though), worn keys and locks may also work.

 

If you don't have pats then you only need a new key cutting, i would try fords first before a high street store.

 

Ok I understand, Ill ask Ford to cut me a key, yeh I got no PATS anymore, ECU is DEEP or DESK or DEWY, ill be honest, I forget which one but I have no relevance for a chip.

 

Think someone told me years ago all the keys are the same but for the chip, havent learnt otherwise since. I know now though!

 

Thanks for the help all.

[PeeWee]

Nothing else in the key except a chip that in your case means nothing mate. ( yours is pre pats right?)

 

Yeh thats right.

 

So whats involved in me getting my key copied? How is one key different to the next considering I have no chip, the way its cut? That sounds like such a stupid thing to say but you know what I mean.

 

As already mentioned they may look the same but they are not, one side is raised and looks the same then it drops to a pre made pattern.

Imagine the reality of non pats cars with the same keys?

Non pats have no chip in the key at all afaik?

[Naylor2006]

Nothing else in the key except a chip that in your case means nothing mate. ( yours is pre pats right?)

 

Yeh thats right.

 

So whats involved in me getting my key copied? How is one key different to the next considering I have no chip, the way its cut? That sounds like such a stupid thing to say but you know what I mean.

 

As already mentioned they may look the same but they are not, one side is raised and looks the same then it drops to a pre made pattern.

Imagine the reality of non pats cars with the same keys?

Non pats have no chip in the key at all afaik?

 

Yeh but my keys have chips still, just they arent doing anything.

 

Ive been completely wrong in my understanding of PATS etc, I did think that if you 2.0'd your car with a mondeo circa 1994 ECU that yes, any key would work. Probably my most stupid claim to date, good old forum putting me right.

[PeeWee]

Nothing else in the key except a chip that in your case means nothing mate. ( yours is pre pats right?)

 

Yeh thats right.

 

So whats involved in me getting my key copied? How is one key different to the next considering I have no chip, the way its cut? That sounds like such a stupid thing to say but you know what I mean.

 

As already mentioned they may look the same but they are not, one side is raised and looks the same then it drops to a pre made pattern.

Imagine the reality of non pats cars with the same keys?

Non pats have no chip in the key at all afaik?

 

Yeh but my keys have chips still, just they arent doing anything.

 

Ive been completely wrong in my understanding of PATS etc, I did think that if you 2.0'd your car with a mondeo circa 1994 ECU that yes, any key would work. Probably my most stupid claim to date, good old forum putting me right.

 

because your using your original barrel I assume with your own keys from what was a pat system, the reason you bought a pre pats was to save the messing around matching keys and ecu right?

So of course your key has a chip (meant for your old ecu).

 

Pre pat mondeo's would have no chipped key (if you had the key that came with your mondeo pre pats ecu that wouldn't have a chip but the key would be cut different.

See?

[Naylor2006]

Nothing else in the key except a chip that in your case means nothing mate. ( yours is pre pats right?)

 

Yeh thats right.

 

So whats involved in me getting my key copied? How is one key different to the next considering I have no chip, the way its cut? That sounds like such a stupid thing to say but you know what I mean.

 

As already mentioned they may look the same but they are not, one side is raised and looks the same then it drops to a pre made pattern.

Imagine the reality of non pats cars with the same keys?

Non pats have no chip in the key at all afaik?

 

Yeh but my keys have chips still, just they arent doing anything.

 

Ive been completely wrong in my understanding of PATS etc, I did think that if you 2.0'd your car with a mondeo circa 1994 ECU that yes, any key would work. Probably my most stupid claim to date, good old forum putting me right.

 

because your using your original barrel I assume with your own keys from what was a pat system, the reason you bought a pre pats was to save the messing around matching keys and ecu right?

So of course your key has a chip (meant for your old ecu).

 

Pre pat mondeo's would have no chipped key (if you had the key that came with your mondeo pre pats ecu that wouldn't have a chip but the key would be cut different.

See?

 

Yeh I understand, I just need a key cut to match my barrels, no chip work needed, might get a couple made, hope its not too expensive.

[PeeWee]

Nothing else in the key except a chip that in your case means nothing mate. ( yours is pre pats right?)

 

Yeh thats right.

 

So whats involved in me getting my key copied? How is one key different to the next considering I have no chip, the way its cut? That sounds like such a stupid thing to say but you know what I mean.

 

As already mentioned they may look the same but they are not, one side is raised and looks the same then it drops to a pre made pattern.

Imagine the reality of non pats cars with the same keys?

Non pats have no chip in the key at all afaik?

 

Yeh but my keys have chips still, just they arent doing anything.

 

Ive been completely wrong in my understanding of PATS etc, I did think that if you 2.0'd your car with a mondeo circa 1994 ECU that yes, any key would work. Probably my most stupid claim to date, good old forum putting me right.

 

because your using your original barrel I assume with your own keys from what was a pat system, the reason you bought a pre pats was to save the messing around matching keys and ecu right?

So of course your key has a chip (meant for your old ecu).

 

Pre pat mondeo's would have no chipped key (if you had the key that came with your mondeo pre pats ecu that wouldn't have a chip but the key would be cut different.

See?

 

Yeh I understand, I just need a key cut to match my barrels, no chip work needed, might get a couple made, hope its not too expensive.

 

Shouldn't be as there is no programming needed (make them clear about this and that you do not need any chip copy), just get one made first to be sure.

[Naylor2006]

Nothing else in the key except a chip that in your case means nothing mate. ( yours is pre pats right?)

 

Yeh thats right.

 

So whats involved in me getting my key copied? How is one key different to the next considering I have no chip, the way its cut? That sounds like such a stupid thing to say but you know what I mean.

 

As already mentioned they may look the same but they are not, one side is raised and looks the same then it drops to a pre made pattern.

Imagine the reality of non pats cars with the same keys?

Non pats have no chip in the key at all afaik?

 

Yeh but my keys have chips still, just they arent doing anything.

 

Ive been completely wrong in my understanding of PATS etc, I did think that if you 2.0'd your car with a mondeo circa 1994 ECU that yes, any key would work. Probably my most stupid claim to date, good old forum putting me right.

 

because your using your original barrel I assume with your own keys from what was a pat system, the reason you bought a pre pats was to save the messing around matching keys and ecu right?

So of course your key has a chip (meant for your old ecu).

 

Pre pat mondeo's would have no chipped key (if you had the key that came with your mondeo pre pats ecu that wouldn't have a chip but the key would be cut different.

See?

 

Yeh I understand, I just need a key cut to match my barrels, no chip work needed, might get a couple made, hope its not too expensive.

 

Shouldn't be as there is no programming needed (make them clear about this and that you do not need any chip copy), just get one made first to be sure.

 

Sure ting.