Speeding ticket

[dalelc16]

2 + 10% is still the guidance at the cps, ignore the nip if you are certain the piece of road is a 70mph zone and nothing will happen.

 

if the roads a 60 limit take the 3 points dont argue

 

Vans can do 70 if thay have a rear window and a side window.

Thats why most private van such as some transporter sportlines have windows

 

Also having a side window means cheaper insurance, also you dont need a pass to go and thriw rubish away

 

But yes work vans should do 60 unless fitted with windows.

 

I had this problem and went to court but i had a side and rear window,which i had to prove i had.

They dropd all charges.

 

really?? pretty sure its to do with the weight/useage not the number of windows...

 

in your world can you only do 63 if you have a back window but its limo tinted or perhaps 67 if the back windows good but you havent got a third rearview mirror

 

All my windows are tinted but if you have a bulkhead you do need the window part in that.

 

Any car or van doesnt need three mirrors by law, just 2 and any two will be fine

 

I'm quite aware of the MOT requirements for mirrors thanks

 

https://www.gov.uk/speed-limits

 

your windows have got sod all to do with it

 

Also when buying a van new they are cheaper also when windows are fitted.

 

Its all about the saftey part and viewing around you at speed ect.

All my vans are fitted with windows for this reason.

 

Also please re- read website ,you supplied in your thread.lol

 

Yup have done again for you and its still based on the vehicle weight and purpose nothing to do with windows

 

 

Motor homes have windows.

[shawdreamer]

national speed limit is 60mph

 

dual carriage ways/express ways fall under the same category as national motorways and therefore hold the same speed limit status unless otherwise lowered by the council who's jurisdiction the roads location falls under.

 

My local Dual/express way was originally a 70mph road uptil a handful of years back when the local council lowered it to 60, however by doing this they were also obligated to place a additional warning signs so infrequent non-local drivers would not be able to claim ignorance to the change and/or label the road as a sanctioned speed trap.

 

OP: theres likely no way a rozzer would try and uphold a speeding fine on the basis of 2mph as the average police equipped speed cam has a error ratio of +4/-4mph (the last time I checked) and a 2 mph over limit reading would get quickly dismissed by any case examiner as a probable equipment discrepancy if the driver was to dispute it.

 

However, Id take time to check the laws governing that particular stretch of road and perhaps spend sometime trying to remember if you may have missed a limit sign, despite however you might try and place it in context, ignorance of the speed limit is no defense in such case.

[sidrick]

Did they just say 'national speed limit'? I've never seen that

[Naylor2006]

Surely none of this matters, the offense is strict liability, even doing 72 on the motorway is punishable if they really want to.

 

With that though phil, I thought that they give you the benefit of the doubt that couple mph. If your speedo says 70, their gun says 72 who is to say who's in the wrong? Thats why I always believed they gave you a percentage of leaniency.

 

Although with a clearcut no like 76/77 in a 70 thats quite right in a resulting fine etc.

 

The offence is strict liability, your responsible for your speedo as you are your tread depth, your lights, insurance, MOT etc....

 

Yes you are unlikely to get a ticket at 72 but it doesnt matter what you say to the officer if his gun has you over the speed limit.

 

My point is, his whole topic is moot given the nature of Road Traffic Offences, theyve chosen to prosecute him, thats it.

 

Main article: Strict liability (criminal)

 

The concept of strict liability is also found in criminal law, though the same or similar concept may appear in contexts where the term itself is not used. Strict liability often applies to vehicular traffic offenses. In a speeding case, for example, whether the defendant knew that the posted speed limit was being exceeded is irrelevant. The prosecutor would need to prove only that the defendant was operating the vehicle in excess of the speed limit.

 

I did law and ting, know hows to copy and paste from wiki init....

Edited July 30, 2013 by Naylor2006

[lee grout]

That's fair enough, point is though, how does anyone prove his speed gun IS CORRECT? That's why you get a percentage for discrepency between his Speedo and the gun! If it was 6mph out then he probably get done. As its 2.... It'll just get thrown out and this will all of been a waste of time.

[sidrick]

That's fair enough, point is though, how does anyone prove his speed gun IS CORRECT? That's why you get a percentage for discrepency between his Speedo and the gun! If it was 6mph out then he probably get done. As its 2.... It'll just get thrown out and this will all of been a waste of time.

 

 

The leeway is for the speedo being out, not the gun.

[PeeWee]

Who said it was a gun? (apologies if I missed it) but the guns are calibrated before they go out on patrol (or supposed to).

This isn't always the case and if pulled over in person you can request a calibration readout, if the officer in question hasn't done his calibration before setting out (happens apparently) they may just give you a warning.

 

The above is all hearsay, I read this in some legal advice mumbo a while back.

[SteveB]

That's fair enough, point is though, how does anyone prove his speed gun IS CORRECT? That's why you get a percentage for discrepency between his Speedo and the gun! If it was 6mph out then he probably get done. As its 2.... It'll just get thrown out and this will all of been a waste of time.

 

 

The leeway is for the speedo being out, not the gun.

 

 

AFAIK by law your speedo must never read under speed, which is why manufacturers set them high. Indicated 70 on mine is 64 according to satnav - satnav should be correct to 1 mph.

[Naylor2006]

Who said it was a gun? (apologies if I missed it) but the guns are calibrated before they go out on patrol (or supposed to).

This isn't always the case and if pulled over in person you can request a calibration readout, if the officer in question hasn't done his calibration before setting out (happens apparently) they may just give you a warning.

 

The above is all hearsay, I read this in some legal advice mumbo a while back.

 

I've heard the good old story before, "yeh I got pulled over for doing 234mph but I asked when was the last time the gun was calibrated and the officer let me off', I think people tell these stories when they want to appear like they've got one up on the law.......besides Stevmo's Mondie has an invisibility mode and would never get pulled over.

Edited August 3, 2013 by Naylor2006

[PeeWee]

Who said it was a gun? (apologies if I missed it) but the guns are calibrated before they go out on patrol (or supposed to).

This isn't always the case and if pulled over in person you can request a calibration readout, if the officer in question hasn't done his calibration before setting out (happens apparently) they may just give you a warning.

 

The above is all hearsay, I read this in some legal advice mumbo a while back.

 

I've heard the good old story before, "yeh I got pulled over for doing 234mph but I asked when was the last time the gun was calibrated and the officer let me off', I think people tell these stories when they want to appear like they've got one up on the law

The tip was actually from a published advice book also