my new classic

[Ahmotorsport]

Pointless post of the day goes to *drum roll* Stu!

 

I have, 1950's Subeam Talbot Alpine's use Aluminium rods.

Edited May 10, 2012 by Ahmotorsport

[Stu]

Pointless post of the day goes to *drum roll* Stu!

 

I have, 1950's Subeam Talbot Alpine's use Aluminium rods.

 

Don't cry, dry your eye. My statement had exceptions in-built.

 

Suggesting a YB for a n/a conversion is stupid. That's right, stupid. Are you stupid?

 

There are much better, lighter, cheaper engines out there, like the Duratec.

[Ahmotorsport]

Pointless post of the day goes to *drum roll* Stu!

 

I have, 1950's Subeam Talbot Alpine's use Aluminium rods.

 

Don't cry, dry your eye. My statement had exceptions in-built.

 

Suggesting a YB for a n/a conversion is stupid. That's right, stupid. Are you stupid?

 

There are much better, lighter, cheaper engines out there, like the Duratec.

And i'm still trying to understand your previous comment about "I've never come across an engine that didn't use a crank or rods made of steel" There isn't steel in a cast IRON crankshaft, certainly not your average motor out the factory.

 

Why is it stupid? What's stupid about it? They aren't crap engines, even N/A, we've proved that with the Mk1 Escort and Mk6 Escort that the Cossie lump was in, the Turbo Cossie's couldn't keep up with the N/A one, unless it was quite trick. 260BHP from an engine that was built with a Turbocharger isn't bad going.

 

I agree, things have moved on and there are some better engines out there, my point was that a Cosworth engine is not expensive for what lurks inside. Believe me, the racing we do, the Cossie's are still one of the hardest cars to beat.

[Stu]

Do you think that steel is an element, or something?

[Ahmotorsport]

Do you think that steel is an element, or something?

Why would i think that?

[sidrick]

Sharrap, you pair of fannys.

[tezmanian devil]

if you want is useable stick a zetec or duratec in it,

 

cossies are mega expensive turbo or none turbo an zetecs can be replaced easy enough

 

plus escorts are not meant to handle all that power so it will need to be have a fully worked over rear end to get it to perform well enough for the power

 

my advice would be to stick with the pinto they can go well enough with a few mods, my car goes well enough with just a crossflow, so i would sort out getting the shell to tip top condition

 

I have actually been speaking to someone on osf about my options and he also said keeping the pinto would be my best bet, he said with a decent head, uprated cam, and a proper carb setup I could see around 180-190bhp if it's all setup right so I think I might just do that for now and when I get bored change it for something else maybe? engine swops are far from the top of my list of 'things to do' so il just keep what iv got for now otherwise il never get the bodywork sorted because il be too busy playing lol

[Ahmotorsport]

the pinto would be my best bet, he said with a decent head, uprated cam, and a proper carb setup I could see around 180-190bhp if it's all setup right

You wouldn't. An all out Pinto is about 200BHP. That's (here you go Stu) Forged steel bottom end etc.

[etrebus]

if you want is useable stick a zetec or duratec in it,

 

cossies are mega expensive turbo or none turbo an zetecs can be replaced easy enough

 

plus escorts are not meant to handle all that power so it will need to be have a fully worked over rear end to get it to perform well enough for the power

 

my advice would be to stick with the pinto they can go well enough with a few mods, my car goes well enough with just a crossflow, so i would sort out getting the shell to tip top condition

 

I have actually been speaking to someone on osf about my options and he also said keeping the pinto would be my best bet, he said with a decent head, uprated cam, and a proper carb setup I could see around 180-190bhp if it's all setup right so I think I might just do that for now and when I get bored change it for something else maybe? engine swops are far from the top of my list of 'things to do' so il just keep what iv got for now otherwise il never get the bodywork sorted because il be too busy playing lol

ive had 1.3 kent/1.6 kent/2.0 pinto /.2.0 pinto with sierra injection and now 1.8 zetec in my mk1 escort and by far the zetec has been the better engine for me.all have been standard engines

[DaweV6]

I have actually been speaking to someone on osf about my options and he also said keeping the pinto would be my best bet, he said with a decent head, uprated cam, and a proper carb setup I could see around 180-190bhp if it's all setup right so I think I might just do that for now and when I get bored change it for something else maybe?

 

Right I'll tell you what to do - don't listen to anything else this engine "guru" will ever tell you. You'll get a more dependable information from Daily Sport.

 

I have a polished, ported, biggest valve head possible, 285 piper, 48 DHLA Deloretto, ele dizzy, more tricks like everything lightened, alloy pulleys, double valve springs, etc - All very considerable cost, professional setup and the result - 148 BHP on a good day, 133 BHP on a bad one (clearance/gasket issues)

 

Now I'm going for a out-and-out 2.2 with a setup pretty undrivable on anything else than flatout - prediction (prayer) is 170 BHP on wheels (190 BHP on crank).

 

Historics competing MKIIs have a 2.0 with a 315 cam, pair of 45's, etc and they make on average 160 on wheels. Cost ? £1.500 - £2000 if everything goes super smoothly (it never does).

 

Zetec/Duratec - is a) cheaper to build, b) more reliable, c) more drivable d) cheaper to maintain, e) increases car value, f) even looks better g) sounds gruntier.

 

I'm not pushing you into engine transplant, I'm just trying to protect YOU from late night sobbing into an engine bay and begging the bloody lump of iron called Pinto to fcuking work properly.

Edited May 10, 2012 by DaweV6

[Ahmotorsport]

I have actually been speaking to someone on osf about my options and he also said keeping the pinto would be my best bet, he said with a decent head, uprated cam, and a proper carb setup I could see around 180-190bhp if it's all setup right so I think I might just do that for now and when I get bored change it for something else maybe?

 

Right I'll tell you what to do - don't listen to anything else this engine "guru" will ever tell you. You'll get a more dependable information from Daily Sport.

 

I have a polished, ported, biggest valve head possible, 285 piper, 48 DHLA Deloretto, ele dizzy, more tricks like everything lightened, alloy pulleys, double valve springs, etc - All very considerable cost, professional setup and the result - 148 BHP on a good day, 133 BHP on a bad one (clearance/gasket issues)

 

Now I'm going for a out-and-out 2.2 with a setup pretty undrivable on anything else than flatout - prediction (prayer) is 170 BHP on wheels (190 BHP on crank).

 

Historics competing MKIIs have a 2.0 with a 315 cam, pair of 45's, etc and they make on average 160 on wheels. Cost ? £1.500 - £2000 if everything goes super smoothly (it never does).

 

Zetec/Duratec - is a) cheaper to build, b) more reliable, c) more drivable d) cheaper to maintain, e) increases car value, f) even looks better g) sounds gruntier.

 

I'm not pushing you into engine transplant, I'm just trying to protect YOU from late night sobbing into an engine bay and begging the bloody lump of iron called Pinto to fcuking work properly.

Completely different experience with Pinto's to mine xD I think they're pretty good for an old 8 valver.

[DaweV6]

Completely different experience with Pinto's to mine xD I think they're pretty good for an old 8 valver.

 

When you consider just how old that engine conceptually really is (44+ years) and that you can increase power output by more than 90% and make it rev 8,500 RPM it sounds like a no mean feat. If only we would have more US 2.3s, so we can have more Millington 2.4s and Warrior conversions... right ? No, time moves on, let's move on as well.

 

Pinto was always the cheap clubman option. RS2000 was for people who couldn't afford RS1600/1800. BDA was a Cosworth developed crossflow for performance only and it was a timeless high tech beauty, Pinto was lifted from American joke of a suicidal hatch. But you know this.

 

So you know how heavy and bloody massive it is - you can get old V8s in the same engine bays and have only 20-40 kg tradeoff for at least 180% more torque.

 

I myself want 2.3 I4 DOHC, but MSAs blue book prevents me from running it on carbs, 16V made with fuel injection are restricted to it and that's it.

 

Before the arrival of cheap Duratec conversions, people were becoming so desperate that they went mad and were using red tops galore. Just imagine how much up against the wall you have to be before you start considering Vauxhall engine in your beloved blue oval. It's like saving your life by committing yourself to a incestual orgy. It will always be on back of your mind.

 

You don't see anybody sticking to 2.0 16V Lotus unless they have to. Same with 2.3 in HSR Chevettes. Do you want the original engine or do you want to actually finish the race/rally without going broke ?

 

 

 

The 2.0 Cosworth was designed for a turbo

 

Actually the YB was originally designed for n/a.

 

 

Well yes, YBA, but everybody could see that it was road to nowhere. Poor sid got caught in a trap.

[McRic]

if you want is useable stick a zetec or duratec in it,

 

cossies are mega expensive turbo or none turbo an zetecs can be replaced easy enough

 

plus escorts are not meant to handle all that power so it will need to be have a fully worked over rear end to get it to perform well enough for the power

 

my advice would be to stick with the pinto they can go well enough with a few mods, my car goes well enough with just a crossflow, so i would sort out getting the shell to tip top condition

 

I have actually been speaking to someone on osf about my options and he also said keeping the pinto would be my best bet, he said with a decent head, uprated cam, and a proper carb setup I could see around 180-190bhp if it's all setup right so I think I might just do that for now and when I get bored change it for something else maybe? engine swops are far from the top of my list of 'things to do' so il just keep what iv got for now otherwise il never get the bodywork sorted because il be too busy playing lol

 

A friend of a friend has a mk2 van. This ran a pinto engine with carbs, cam etc and he raced it at knockhill. He then swapped the pinto out for a Cosworth engine. Turns out it was no quicker as the pinto was so well set up. In the end he just fired the pinto back in.

[tezmanian devil]

update time, still havnt managed to get anything done to the body work though

 

il start with my goodies that have turnt up soo far

 

new inlet and exhaust gaskets

 

http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m106/tezmanian_devil/mk2%20escort%20estate/50dc6720.jpg

 

me being the dumb ass that i am didnt noticed these wer for an efi pinto, but luckily it didnt matter because i only needed the exhaust gaskets... storey to follow...

 

sanding discs, dont really know why i took a pic of these to be honest lol

 

http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m106/tezmanian_devil/mk2%20escort%20estate/4b3ff6a3.jpg

 

new front wing mounting rails

 

http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m106/tezmanian_devil/mk2%20escort%20estate/85d52a6b.jpg

 

new window channel rubbers for when the doors are painted and ready to be fitted

 

http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m106/tezmanian_devil/mk2%20escort%20estate/f83dd883.jpg

 

new clear front indicator lense's

 

http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m106/tezmanian_devil/mk2%20escort%20estate/f4d16092.jpg

 

and new glove box, heater control trim and centre console (cheers vista!!)

 

http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m106/tezmanian_devil/mk2%20escort%20estate/1314ba3b.jpg

 

http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m106/tezmanian_devil/mk2%20escort%20estate/caa95f79.jpg

 

http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m106/tezmanian_devil/mk2%20escort%20estate/e078dbbf.jpg

 

still have a couple more bits that havnt arrived yet so thats it for goodies for now.

 

i was hoping to get abit done on the body work this week but run into abit of a problem with the exhaust... when i first got the car it sounded like the exhaust manifold was blowing where it meets the cylinder head so i bought the gaskets above but iv been putting off fitting them because it wasnt thaaat bad, but the other day when i was going to see my mate down he's farm i hit a bump in the road quite hard and all of a sudden the car sounded like a spitfire driving down the road lol so when i got home i thought id get my arse into gear and see what was wrong, so i lifted the bonnet up and had a good old route around and couldnt find anything! i even had my father-in-law take a look and he couldnt see anything either so i just assumed it was the gasket completly giving up, so with that i decided to just fit the new gaskets, unbolted the manifold, went to pull it off and disaster! the manifold had broke...

 

befour removal

http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m106/tezmanian_devil/mk2%20escort%20estate/94e2b14f.jpg

 

oh dear

 

http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m106/tezmanian_devil/mk2%20escort%20estate/757d2f84.jpg

http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m106/tezmanian_devil/mk2%20escort%20estate/00e2451e.jpg

 

bad times...

 

http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m106/tezmanian_devil/mk2%20escort%20estate/d58e9267.jpg

 

where it had broke off was literally just under where the heat wrap was lol but i was going to let it dampen my spirits so i removed the rest of the manifold and took it into my garage to see if i could weld it up, luckily it was a nice clean break and the 2 peices mated back up perfectly..

 

http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m106/tezmanian_devil/mk2%20escort%20estate/45919d33.jpg

 

so i cleaned it up and had ago at welding it back together..

 

http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m106/tezmanian_devil/mk2%20escort%20estate/a04805b6.jpg

 

http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m106/tezmanian_devil/mk2%20escort%20estate/3151b495.jpg

 

you'l have to excuse my welding, i had no intension of making it look pretty, i just laid loads down so hopfully it wont break again

 

and finished after spraying it with high temp metallic black manifold paint

 

http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m106/tezmanian_devil/mk2%20escort%20estate/068a1ffb.jpg

 

http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m106/tezmanian_devil/mk2%20escort%20estate/cd0b50e4.jpg

 

and then back on the car

 

http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m106/tezmanian_devil/mk2%20escort%20estate/f3273235.jpg

 

thankfully my welding has held up soo far, i really dont want to take that manifold back off again!! lol

so with that little drama sorted i though id take a couple of pics of the other not so good bits under the bonnet while i had it up...

 

more to follow... bloody picture limit :wall:

[lee grout]

Lol, Your giant weld looks like a massive scab on your knee that needs picking! I'd love to learn to weld. Nice 1 for doin it yourself. You gona clean it up at all if it holds up or you looking to replace at some point in time?