Formula 1 2010

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The difference in skill level between BTCC and F1 is huge, massive. I love watching BTCC because of the close racing, but that comes about because of the amount of mistakes they make, if a driver in BTCC has a flawless race they win by a country mile, F1 is a different kettle of fish, the drivers in F1 are simply the greatest racing drivers in the world.

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I've been around the Monaco track and obviously been to Monaco itself, and there's nothing like it.

 

There is something extremely special about the place, the track and the history, and Monaco is the one race I always catch every season.

[massivewangers]

Just watched this on iplayer.

 

Not the best Monaco race ever, but still pretty good at times. Shame about Button not finishing, but it was a silly mistake to leave the bung in. Bet they won't do it again!

 

As for the Schumacher instead, all you lot saying it was unfair and Hill was going against him, what are you on about? There was a clear regulation saying there was to be no overtaking, he broke it and got penalised. Seems pretty clear cut to me. It is a stupid rule, they should have been allowed to race to the line, but he was clearly in breach of the regs and got punished.

 

Monaco will never get dropped, it just has too much heritage, and it's such a big event for the F1 calender. Not the best race for overtaking, but to see them being so committed, touching the barriers is a great spectacle. Something we could only wish for in this ridiculous, health & safety obsessed country.

[danposs86]

the drivers in F1 are simply the greatest racing drivers in the world.

 

Wrong, the best drivers are WRC ones

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the drivers in F1 are simply the greatest racing drivers in the world.

 

Wrong, the best drivers are WRC ones

 

That is your opinion, and as it is you any comments you make are null and void.

 

Can WRC drivers nail stage the same stage within a few hundreths of a second everytime? Well, given the length of the stages, within a couple of seconds? F1 drivers are so consistent, the pace they can shift at and be so consistent puts them at the top of the tree. You dont see many mistakes from the F1 drivers, you see many more from rally drivers.

[danposs86]

the drivers in F1 are simply the greatest racing drivers in the world.

 

Wrong, the best drivers are WRC ones

 

That is your opinion, and as it is you any comments you make are null and void.

 

Can WRC drivers nail stage the same stage within a few hundreths of a second everytime? Well, given the length of the stages, within a couple of seconds? F1 drivers are so consistent, the pace they can shift at and be so consistent puts them at the top of the tree. You dont see many mistakes from the F1 drivers, you see many more from rally drivers.

 

If only an F1 driver went off to WRC are realised how off the pace they are. Hmmm.

[LiamGTR]

As for the Schumacher instead, all you lot saying it was unfair and Hill was going against him, what are you on about? There was a clear regulation saying there was to be no overtaking, he broke it and got penalised. Seems pretty clear cut to me. It is a stupid rule, they should have been allowed to race to the line, but he was clearly in breach of the regs and got punished.

Thre is also a rule that says once the safety car is in, and you are passed the white line, you are aloud to overtake!

 

Only time you are NOT aloud to overtake is if the race finished UNDER SAFETY CAR CONDITIONS which was not the case, as the safety car came in on the last lap and did not cross the start/finish line, it came into the pits, meaning the race was on like don-key-kong... bi-atch!

 

Seems pretty clear to me.

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As for the Schumacher instead, all you lot saying it was unfair and Hill was going against him, what are you on about? There was a clear regulation saying there was to be no overtaking, he broke it and got penalised. Seems pretty clear cut to me. It is a stupid rule, they should have been allowed to race to the line, but he was clearly in breach of the regs and got punished.

Thre is also a rule that says once the safety car is in, and you are passed the white line, you are allowed to overtake!

 

Only time you are NOT allowed to overtake is if the race finished UNDER SAFETY CAR CONDITIONS which was not the case, as the safety car came in on the last lap and did not cross the start/finish line, it came into the pits, meaning the race was on like don-key-kong... bi-atch!

 

Seems pretty clear to me.

 

fixed your spelling.

[massivewangers]

As for the Schumacher instead, all you lot saying it was unfair and Hill was going against him, what are you on about? There was a clear regulation saying there was to be no overtaking, he broke it and got penalised. Seems pretty clear cut to me. It is a stupid rule, they should have been allowed to race to the line, but he was clearly in breach of the regs and got punished.

Thre is also a rule that says once the safety car is in, and you are passed the white line, you are aloud to overtake!

 

Only time you are NOT aloud to overtake is if the race finished UNDER SAFETY CAR CONDITIONS which was not the case, as the safety car came in on the last lap and did not cross the start/finish line, it came into the pits, meaning the race was on like don-key-kong... bi-atch!

 

Seems pretty clear to me.

 

The rules of the safety car line apply under normal racing conditions, but my understanding was, that if the race was to finish behind the safety car, as it clearly was here, that the SC would pull into the pits before the finish on the final lap to allow the cars to have a flying finish across the line, but that no over taking was allowed in that situation; the cars were just to fly across the line in convoy at full pace.

 

That seems to over rule the regulation you have stated. That was the regulation I heard them bring up when I watched it anyway.

 

Regardless, I find the notion that Damon Hill intentionally tried to get Schumacher penalised pretty laughable. I'm sure the stewards know the regulations, and if what's written above is true, then he was clearly in the wrong and was penalised accordingly.

 

It is a bit silly, overtaking should be allowed in that case, but there it is.

[Craig855S]

Isnt there a rule that says the green flag (which was waved) means...Go, race, full speed, overtaking is allowed. Its silly to expect the drivers to know ALL the rules about every eventuality, Schumacher saw a chance to get past Alonso and took it, the stewards saw a rule to ping him on, and took it

[LiamGTR]

As for the Schumacher instead, all you lot saying it was unfair and Hill was going against him, what are you on about? There was a clear regulation saying there was to be no overtaking, he broke it and got penalised. Seems pretty clear cut to me. It is a stupid rule, they should have been allowed to race to the line, but he was clearly in breach of the regs and got punished.

Thre is also a rule that says once the safety car is in, and you are passed the white line, you are aloud to overtake!

 

Only time you are NOT aloud to overtake is if the race finished UNDER SAFETY CAR CONDITIONS which was not the case, as the safety car came in on the last lap and did not cross the start/finish line, it came into the pits, meaning the race was on like don-key-kong... bi-atch!

 

Seems pretty clear to me.

 

The rules of the safety car line apply under normal racing conditions, but my understanding was, that if the race was to finish behind the safety car, as it clearly was here, that the SC would pull into the pits before the finish on the final lap to allow the cars to have a flying finish across the line, but that no over taking was allowed in that situation; the cars were just to fly across the line in convoy at full pace.

 

That seems to over rule the regulation you have stated. That was the regulation I heard them bring up when I watched it anyway.

The race wasn't finished behind the safety car, like I said it pulled into the pits which is 1 turn before the start/finish line. If the race was to finish under the safety car, the safety car would have crossed the start/finish line.

 

Isnt there a rule that says the green flag (which was waved) means...Go, race, full speed, overtaking is allowed. Its silly to expect the drivers to know ALL the rules about every eventuality, Schumacher saw a chance to get past Alonso and took it, the stewards saw a rule to ping him on, and took it

Why not? When you play football you know all the rules, UFC fighters know all the rules, it's the FIA's fault for having so may rules, it's part and parcel of the job. If I was paying somebody millions of pounds to drive a F1 car for me i'd expect him to do a bloody good job, but also to know all about the car he is driving and the rules he is to play by.

 

Also teams have people who just specialise in the rules and Schum.. got told over the radio, it's not his fault Ferrari don't kow the rules and didn't remind Alonso.

[massivewangers]

As for the Schumacher instead, all you lot saying it was unfair and Hill was going against him, what are you on about? There was a clear regulation saying there was to be no overtaking, he broke it and got penalised. Seems pretty clear cut to me. It is a stupid rule, they should have been allowed to race to the line, but he was clearly in breach of the regs and got punished.

Thre is also a rule that says once the safety car is in, and you are passed the white line, you are aloud to overtake!

 

Only time you are NOT aloud to overtake is if the race finished UNDER SAFETY CAR CONDITIONS which was not the case, as the safety car came in on the last lap and did not cross the start/finish line, it came into the pits, meaning the race was on like don-key-kong... bi-atch!

 

Seems pretty clear to me.

 

The rules of the safety car line apply under normal racing conditions, but my understanding was, that if the race was to finish behind the safety car, as it clearly was here, that the SC would pull into the pits before the finish on the final lap to allow the cars to have a flying finish across the line, but that no over taking was allowed in that situation; the cars were just to fly across the line in convoy at full pace.

 

That seems to over rule the regulation you have stated. That was the regulation I heard them bring up when I watched it anyway.

The race wasn't finished behind the safety car, like I said it pulled into the pits which is 1 turn before the start/finish line. If the race was to finish under the safety car, the safety car would have crossed the start/finish line.

 

Isnt there a rule that says the green flag (which was waved) means...Go, race, full speed, overtaking is allowed. Its silly to expect the drivers to know ALL the rules about every eventuality, Schumacher saw a chance to get past Alonso and took it, the stewards saw a rule to ping him on, and took it

Why not? When you play football you know all the rules, UFC fighters know all the rules, it's the FIA's fault for having so may rules, it's part and parcel of the job. If I was paying somebody millions of pounds to drive a F1 car for me i'd expect him to do a bloody good job, but also to know all about the car he is driving and the rules he is to play by.

 

Also teams have people who just specialise in the rules and Schum.. got told over the radio, it's not his fault Ferrari don't kow the rules and didn't remind Alonso.

 

You're missing my point...

 

If they decide the race is to finish under the safety car, then the safety car will lead the competitors round the circuit on the final lap and then pull into the pits to allow the cars to complete a flying finish at full pace. However, under these conditions, no overtaking is permitted.

 

That's the rule I heard quoted and this is why Schumacher was penalised presumably. Perhaps the marshalls waved the green flags incorrectly, or there was some misunderstanding, but this is what I was led to believe was the regulation in that situation. The race effectively finished under safety car conditions, but the safety car itself pulls into the pits so they can cross the line at full speed.

 

Schumacher may have misread the situation (perhaps not knowing this regulation, or thinking as the marshalls waved green flags that overtaking was allowed), but if the rule that was quoted is accurate, then he was in breach of the regulations so should have been penalised.

 

Of course the Schumacher fanboys would never accept that, as they seem to think he should be above the rules due to being so awesome (or not as the case may be these days).

[LiamGTR]

You're missing my point...

 

If they decide the race is to finish under the safety car, then the safety car will lead the competitors round the circuit on the final lap and then pull into the pits to allow the cars to complete a flying finish at full pace. However, under these conditions, no overtaking is permitted.

You're right sorry mate, that is what the COMMENTATORS said, but as Ross Brawn pointed out with his print off of the radio, the safety car wasn't to finish the race, it was only brought out, and then everyone on the radio got told it was coming in at the end of the lap, so it's Ferrari's fault for not remembering a rule/listen to the radio properly as Brawn clearly had the official print off of what was said.

 

That's the rule I heard quoted and this is why Schumacher was penalised presumably. Perhaps the marshalls waved the green flags incorrectly, or there was some misunderstanding, but this is what I was led to believe was the regulation in that situation. The race effectively finished under safety car conditions, but the safety car itself pulls into the pits so they can cross the line at full speed.

Marshalls only do as they're told over the radio mate, once they hear the safety car is going in they wave like no tomorrow I don't want to seem like a dick but the race DIDN'T finish under the safety car, if it did the safety car would have physically drove across the start/finish line.

 

Schumacher may have misread the situation (perhaps not knowing this regulation, or thinking as the marshalls waved green flags that overtaking was allowed), but if the rule that was quoted is accurate, then he was in breach of the regulations so should have been penalised.

I don't think it's Shum.. misreading, I personally think it's Ferrari not listening properly/forgetting a rule and they were a bit gutted/caught by surprise

 

Of course the Schumacher fanboys would never accept that, as they seem to think he should be above the rules due to being so awesome (or not as the case may be these days).

Don't get me wrong i'm not a Schum.. fanboy and think he is an idiot for coming back and he is just proving all of us right when we said he'll never be able to keep up wit hthe top dogs, and he can't!

[danposs86]

You're missing my point...

That's the rule I heard quoted and this is why Schumacher was penalised presumably. Perhaps the marshalls waved the green flags incorrectly, or there was some misunderstanding, but this is what I was led to believe was the regulation in that situation. The race effectively finished under safety car conditions, but the safety car itself pulls into the pits so they can cross the line at full speed.

Marshalls only do as they're told over the radio mate, once they hear the safety car is going in they wave like no tomorrow I don't want to seem like a dick but the race DIDN'T finish under the safety car, if it did the safety car would have physically drove across the start/finish line.

 

Except the rule states that it doesnt have to cross the finish line, but the rule also states no overtaking.

 

Read this: http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2010/5/10799.html

 

Regardless of what happened, this is the rule that the FIA are saying was broken.

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At least Schumacher has got people talking about F1 again